Saturday, July 4, 2009

Macleans on 'bad' teachers

I tripped across this one reading my two-week issue of Macleans this morning-- and SQE's blog also has a post on it. It focuses mostly on Ontario situations, with some linkage to similar quandaries in other parts of the country.
According to Barrie Bennett, a professor at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, the dismissal process is so onerous, the risk of reprisal from teachers’ unions so great, that “most principals find it’s not worth the effort.” Instead, they approve transfers, or hide struggling teachers where their deficiencies can go unnoticed. The result however, is this: a system that keeps incompetent teachers in the classroom.
The fact that more bad teachers aren’t being fired is “a problem that nobody wants to talk about,” says (Virgina assistant principal Brendan) Menuey, who authored a 2007 study on the subject. Despite research indicating that about five per cent of every workforce is incompetent, he uncovered a truth about his district he describes as “scandalous”: less than one-tenth of one per cent of tenured teachers were being dismissed annually for poor performance.
The Ontario stats are written as 27 since 2004, only 0.002 per cent of all teachers registered with the Ontario College of Teachers. That stat is likely flawed, simply based on the assumption that all OCT members are classroom teachers or teachers on other assignments. They're not. Principals, superintendents and directors of education all have to be OCT members-- and Macleans doesn't specify whether it accounted for these when it produced the stat in the article.
I'd be curious to see how they got that number-- particularly since a lingering item on my to-do list is to crawl the entire database posted online and then do some number-crunching with it.
As to the issue itself-- "bad" teachers.
This is a minefield as far as I'm concerned. The effectiveness of a teacher is highly subjective, and there are few objective yardsticks by which to make a dispassionate judgment on a teacher's abilities. Do we fire teachers whose students suck at standardized assessments? Is it really entirely their fault?
There are some easy measurements however-- the obvious ones like abuse, bullying (yes, some teachers do that too), poor classroom management, etc. There are yardsticks for that, and it's a shame if some administrators feel as though they're just not up to challenging the federation to can a teacher who obviously shouldn't have gotten into the profession in the first place.
Perhaps if our teachers' college programs were, oh, better, we'd weed out more of these types of teachers before they ever entered the classroom.
However, how does one go about canning the teacher who's counting the paydays until retirement and has lost his/her fire? Or, in this age of children whose parents solve all their problems, do you can the teacher who actually makes students work? The one (of a decreasing number, some would say) who refuses to grade on a curve? Or, as asked earlier, the one whose students perform poorly on a standardized assessment?

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Perhaps if governments and school board's stopped promising that students receive a "quality" education, there would be no bad teachers because "quality" would not be the expectation of parents, employers or post-secondary schools?

Maybe the expectation from now on is that Ontario offers a mediocre education to students?

There...pressure's off.

Anonymous said...

Lets get something straight! If you say something enough times about education, people will think it to be true!

What are some real facts about Ontario Education?
1. Does the so called Ontario literacy test actually test literacy? There is no evidence or any proof that the test has any credibility at all! None!
On parts of the test, can kids literally spell every word wrong and still pass the test? We will never be able to answer this question because it is against Ontario law to have a third party even look at it or watch it being administered.
2. Can administrators actually fire incompetent teachers? Who cares? They get bumped up to administration! Or they get specialist documents where they virtually have no contact with kids! Thank God! Or in the best case …kids drive them nuts and they quit teaching
3. Are kids safe in Ontario Schools? Can the safety of kids be measured very clearly. How many have been shot, killed, raped or kidnapped on the way to school or during school? Gee that information must be available by the Ministry of Education. But they won’t tell you because it would not look good for education, or school boards who pay their administrators over $150,000 per year to make schools look good!
4. How many teachers have admitted to having had sexual misconduct with kids seems to be a more important question then …gee which teachers bully their students. The amazingly self serving organisation, the Ontario College of Teachers have reported eleven such teachers who have had intercourse with students, been convicted of illegal confinement (some people call that kidnapping) and assaulting his adult victims or touching kids for sexual pleasure and so on and so on.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061101/whistleblower_teachers_061115/20061115?hub=Canada
5. Unions don’t run the teaching profession. The Ontario College of Teachers does with a budget of over 20 million dollars. Does the Ontario College of Teachers actively protect children in their classrooms? A case that was reported in the Niagara area certainly sheds some light.
In one criminal case an investigator from the Ontario College of Teachers was examined. The Investigator admitted a teacher who apparently played with the testicles of little boys in a classroom was not report to the police because the investigator thought that since the alleged paedophile had gotten married, he was no longer a threat to children. Gee, I am happy most parents don’t think like this investigator from the Ontario College of Teachers or we would all be living in a land of make believe.
6. Does any one in the federal government even care about criminals who hurt kids. Talk about a minefield! Yes there is but even he has his hands tied behind his back. Read the frustration that one of the most respected Canadians feel about Ontario Education, Lieutenant General The Honourable Romeo A. Dallaire (Ret’d) Senator. http://tomorrowstrust.ca/?p=7202
7. Are there bad teachers in Ontario education? Sure! But the real questions is even more important. Where are the good teachers who protect children? Many have left teaching in frustration. http://www.canadians4accountability.org/news/main-e.html#jb

I can remember one of my university professors telling a class some many light years ago claiming that you will not find answers unless you ask worthy questions. It is as true today, as it was since the first day or academia. Start with facts and you may come up with important questions that are worthy of an answer. Start out with misguided assumptions and you will report meaningless innuendoes.

Anonymous said...

So anon. 1:35 - lots of questions but where are the facts you speak of?

1. Literacy Test - being that it's based on Gr. 7 reading and comprehension levels, I do believe that the test does give a very good indication of whether kids in Gr. 10 can read at a Gr. 7 level.

Much too late in my opinion.

2.Administrators - if they are incompetent administrators were they good teachers? How do you know or not?

3. Are kids safe in Ontario schools?

No incidents of the shooting or killing, raping variety have happened in my neighbourhood school. Depends where you are.
When parents start taking some responsibility for their kid's actions then maybe we can start to expect 100% safe schools.

4. teachers and sexual mis-conduct.

is this REALLY an issue in Ontario schools?

5. Unions do so run the system. Government being a close 2nd with trustees last in influence and local authority.

6. You have an axe to grind. What's this have to do with the post?

7. Where are the good teachers?
Again you're basing this point on something else I read in your post.

I think you're angry.

Education Reporter said...

Anon July 6 01:35:
#1 -- EQAO takes its job seriously. I'm sure they would resent the accusation you make without a more factual / evidence-based statement. Have you seen the test? Have you written one?

#3 -- Since when is it a school's job to ensure students are safe off of school property or outside of off-site school activities? Aren't parents responsible for their children's safety? Violent incidents are always unfortunate, but if they're not happening at school, I fail to see your point.

I agree with the poster above's last comment.

Anonymous said...

Reply to 1 to 4 Comments:

1. Literacy Test - being that it's based on Gr. 7 reading and comprehension levels, I do believe that the test does give a very good indication of whether kids in Gr. 10 can read at a Gr. 7 level.

Reply :
The Test of Basic skills will do the very same thing you suggest or even the Metropolitan achievement test, both tests have third party credibility. The Ontario test has no credibility out side of Ontario.
Have you actually seen the test. Parents are catching onto this outrageous administrative game.
Don’t believe me ….take a look at this web site…
http://schools-at-the-centre.ning.com/forum/topics/getting-rid-of-eqao


2.Administrators - if they are incompetent administrators were they good teachers? How do you know or not?

Reply: Any teacher that has been in a school more then ten years can tell you that being a good teacher has little to do with administrative promotion. Having little or no self control is not even a factor in Toronto Schools administration.
Don’t believe me …read about how an administrator got away with throwing dog dirt at a kid.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090407/Pantolone_charges_090407/20090407/?hub=TorontoNewHome

3. Are kids safe in Ontario schools?

No incidents of the shooting or killing, raping variety have happened in my neighbourhood school. Depends where you are. When parents start taking some responsibility for their kid's actions then maybe we can start to expect 100% safe schools.

Reply: What kind of a childhood attitude is this… Let them rape kill or molest somebody else’s kid. It’s not in my back yard…. who cares.

4. teachers and sexual mis-conduct. is this REALLY an issue in Ontario schools?

Reply: You are kidding! Right! How many finger penetrations, sexual intercourse, outright sexual petting / fondling
kidnappings do we need to make this a real problem. Oh my I forgot its some one elses kid and not yours so it doesn’t matter does it. Keep your head in the sand a while longer.
CTV Report of Sex Offenders:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061101/whistleblower_teachers_061115/20061115?hub=Canada

Anonymous said...

Reply to 5 to 8 Comments:

5. Unions do so run the system. Government being a close 2nd with trustees last in influence and local authority.

Reply: And what do unions do? They do not right phoney “Bullying Laws!” They done’t pay $150,000 to Directors of Education. They don’t pay for school board trips and adventures do they? Have you ever looked at the administrative budgets? There are millions of dollars bigger then any school in the province and what do they actually do for kids.
Look at the reviews of the Catholic school board in Toronto if you don’t believe me … The Toronto Star has made it very clear.

6. You have an axe to grind. What's this have to do with the post?

Reply: The post says the “dismissal process is so onerous, the risk of reprisal from teachers’ unions so great, that “most principals find it’s not worth the effort.” Any good teacher would never give up on a child yet this post allows the so called administrators the right to “find it’s not worth the effort.” Who are you kidding, school are about children, yours and mine. The so called academics that are quoted are merely creating rationalisation for administrators to blame some one else for their utter incompetence. Today’s research in education has little to do with actual scientific research and more to do with academia rationalisation for a political position. Who cares about kids? Certainly not some one who puts children in harms way like the administrators referred to in these studies.

7. Where are the good teachers?
Again you're basing this point on something else I read in your post.

Reply: That’s right! Where are the good teachers?

8. Your comment: I think you're angry.

Reply; Really! How did you guess? The Minister of Education is aware of death threats against a teacher and they do nothing to deal with the abuse. What country do we live in?

Anonymous said...

Reply to Anon July 6 01:35:

#1 -- EQAO takes its job seriously. I'm sure they would resent the accusation you make without a more factual / evidence-based statement. Have you seen the test? Have you written one?

Reply: Thanks for making my point! There is no evidence that it does what is suppose to do! Who has seen the test? You tell me! Scientific evidence is based on field tests, and serious review. Does it actually test skills? I suspect it only tests skills after teachers teach to the test and spend a mountain of time teaching “specific” skills. Is any of the skills carried over to the real world. I doubt it but the test keeps all those administrators / former teachers out of the classroom. Thank God for minor miracles.
Read what parents have to say about it.
http://schools-at-the-centre.ning.com/forum/topics/getting-rid-of-eqao

#3 -- Since when is it a school's job to ensure students are safe off of school property or outside of off-site school activities? Aren't parents responsible for their children's safety? Violent incidents are always unfortunate, but if they're not happening at school, I fail to see your point.

Reply: Gee you must be too young to be aware that under the law, schools were responsible for making sure kids got home safely. The law was changed and schools don’t even have to act like a parent any more. How many little girls have to be sexually assaulted in washrooms before administrators do something. I forgot they just postpone doing anything and the problem just goes away. Why do we have police officers in Toronto schools? Gee I wonder if it has something to do with school administrators doing so little to protect children in schools.
Blame the Unions all you want…. But remember the administrators at school boards are being paid over $150.000,00 per year to make problems go away.

I mean no disrespect to the writers who have made comments but when of the Most Respected citizen of Canada has made comments about Ontario Education we do have a problem. Equally troubling is the fact that when an Organization made of respected citizens seems to suggest there is a problem…we may have a very serious issues in Ontario Education.
LGen The Honourable Roméo A. Dallaire, (Ret’d), Senator
http://tomorrowstrust.ca/?p=7202

Canadians for Accountability:
http://www.canadians4accountability.org/news/main-e.html#jb